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When I last interviewed you, it was about two years ago, President Trump had just won. He was not the president yet. And I had asked you what you thought of him at the time. And you said that you thought that he had mellowed, that he was calmer. Yeah. And I'm curious now, here we are. Yeah. I still think that. Two years later. Yeah. We've had lots of wars and tariffs and all sorts of things that have happened since then. What do you think? I think he has. I mean, I'm comparing him to his first term. Yeah. And I think he is a more mature, more disciplined version of himself than he was in his first term. And, you know, so, again, I've worked with all the presidents. I will work with all the presidents, you know, and I hope to do that going forward if they'll have me. But we need our business leaders to provide input into the administration, regardless of who the president is. I'm not on the side. You know what? I'm on the side of America. And that is so important. And that's where business leaders should be. And do you think they're not? No, I think we are, but we get perceived as being partisan or whatever. I was helping Obama every chance I could. I was helping Biden every chance I could. I still call Obama for advice. He's a very smart guy. And by the way, people that are, Trump has lots of good ideas, and he's done a lot of, he's been right about a lot of things. You have to give him credit where credit is due. Let me pivot.